Comments on: We’re free from the Law! http://www.4-14.org.uk/were-free-from-the-law …Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves… Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:45:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Mark http://www.4-14.org.uk/were-free-from-the-law#comment-2804 Mark Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:42:42 +0000 http://www.4-14.org.uk/index.php/archives/68-were-free-from-the-law#comment-2804 Debra, I'm a "non-charismatic" in that I don't you can separate out some of God's gifts to us and call the "spiritual gifts" as if other gifts of God are not spiritual. I do believe that God give gifts directly to his church (Ephesians 4:11-13), and to individuals that they might support the church (1 Corinthians 12-14). But I don't believe spiritual gifts are more important than (for example) spiritual fruit (see Ephesians 5), and spiritual character (1 Corinthians 13). I also think that most charismatics have mis-understood many of the spiritual gifts, particularly the gift of tongues. I prefer to describe myself not as a charismatic, nor as a cessationist, but as a continuationist. Spiritual gifts are still given today, but they are not the most important thing. I know many charismatics would agree with that, so I'm not trying to pick a fight! Debra,

I’m a “non-charismatic” in that I don’t you can separate out some of God’s gifts to us and call the “spiritual gifts” as if other gifts of God are not spiritual. I do believe that God give gifts directly to his church (Ephesians 4:11-13), and to individuals that they might support the church (1 Corinthians 12-14). But I don’t believe spiritual gifts are more important than (for example) spiritual fruit (see Ephesians 5), and spiritual character (1 Corinthians 13).

I also think that most charismatics have mis-understood many of the spiritual gifts, particularly the gift of tongues. I prefer to describe myself not as a charismatic, nor as a cessationist, but as a continuationist. Spiritual gifts are still given today, but they are not the most important thing. I know many charismatics would agree with that, so I’m not trying to pick a fight!

]]> By: Debra Davis http://www.4-14.org.uk/were-free-from-the-law#comment-2789 Debra Davis Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:34:37 +0000 http://www.4-14.org.uk/index.php/archives/68-were-free-from-the-law#comment-2789 Thank you so much for your "That's My King" video. My church used a version of it. I have one question for now. In viewing your "hats," why are you non-charismatic? Thanks for answering- Debra Davis Thank you so much for your “That’s My King” video. My church used a version of it.

I have one question for now. In viewing your “hats,” why are you non-charismatic?

Thanks for answering-

Debra Davis

]]> By: Mark http://www.4-14.org.uk/were-free-from-the-law#comment-2713 Mark Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:31:05 +0000 http://www.4-14.org.uk/index.php/archives/68-were-free-from-the-law#comment-2713 Garth, thanks for your comments. This is not the place to get into a debate on the relative merits of the Textus Receptus vs an eclectic text. Suffice it to say that the bible (even the eclectic texts) teach clearly that (if I may be allowed to paraphrase you), "once we are saved, we have the freedom to do whatever <b>Christ</b> wants". That's what being free from the law of sin and death actually means. I'm not sure the TR insertion into Romans 8:1 is that helpful. Once saved, always saved, therefore there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, regardless of how they are walking. Of course, verse 2 makes it clear that those who are in Christ Jesus will be walking in his way. Those who are not walking in his way are demonstrating that they are not free from the law of sin and death, that they are therefore not in Christ Jesus, and that therefore they are still under condemnation. Garth, thanks for your comments. This is not the place to get into a debate on the relative merits of the Textus Receptus vs an eclectic text. Suffice it to say that the bible (even the eclectic texts) teach clearly that (if I may be allowed to paraphrase you), “once we are saved, we have the freedom to do whatever Christ wants”. That’s what being free from the law of sin and death actually means.

I’m not sure the TR insertion into Romans 8:1 is that helpful. Once saved, always saved, therefore there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, regardless of how they are walking. Of course, verse 2 makes it clear that those who are in Christ Jesus will be walking in his way. Those who are not walking in his way are demonstrating that they are not free from the law of sin and death, that they are therefore not in Christ Jesus, and that therefore they are still under condemnation.

]]> By: Garth http://www.4-14.org.uk/were-free-from-the-law#comment-2709 Garth Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:40:37 +0000 http://www.4-14.org.uk/index.php/archives/68-were-free-from-the-law#comment-2709 Romans 8:1-2 (KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death. True, we are free in Christ, but the new (per)versions of the Bible omit the last part of Romans 8:1 (who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.). This has made many Christians think that once they are saved, that they have cart blanche to do whatever they want. All I can say is be very careful. Read a version of the bible that is based on the Texus Receptus and Masoric texts. There is a lot to read on this topic online. I would suggest prayerful searching for God's true Word. This (http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts.html) is a good place to start. Garth Romans 8:1-2 (KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.

True, we are free in Christ, but the new (per)versions of the Bible omit the last part of Romans 8:1 (who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.). This has made many Christians think that once they are saved, that they have cart blanche to do whatever they want. All I can say is be very careful. Read a version of the bible that is based on the Texus Receptus and Masoric texts. There is a lot to read on this topic online. I would suggest prayerful searching for God’s true Word. This (http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts.html) is a good place to start.

Garth

]]> By: ScottyB http://www.4-14.org.uk/were-free-from-the-law#comment-839 ScottyB Wed, 31 May 2006 22:27:00 +0000 http://www.4-14.org.uk/index.php/archives/68-were-free-from-the-law#comment-839 This blog helps me think. I love Andrew Murray but I am curious what your thoughts are on his Keswickian background? In the school of Christ, scott This blog helps me think. I love Andrew Murray but I am curious what your thoughts are on his Keswickian background?

In the school of Christ,
scott

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