This post is from 2005, and refers specifically to a discussion on another blog which unfortunately is no longer available. Without reference to those earlier posts, my comments here are easily misunderstood, as I was dealing with specific questions they raised. If you want a more thorough and more helpful answer to the question Tim Chester examines “Is depression a sin?” far better than I did here.
This posting has been sparked by two posts on Steve Leher’s blog (1, 2). Specifically, Steve states that depression is a sin, a position on which he is later challenged by a reader (whom he calls ‘Bob’). Bob helpfully summarises the disagreement like this:
The basic point of disagreement we have is whether depression or manic depression are illnesses. Maybe I’m overlooking something but I didn’t notice where you said they were not that you were able to support that Biblically or otherwise to my satisfaction. It’s basically your opinion which you can have but which I can also disagree with.
Unfortunately, this discussion (like so many) boils down to definitions. In his article (PDF link) Steve borrows Robert Smith’s defininition of depression as:
a debilitating mood, feeling, or attitude of hopelessness (despair or joylessness), which becomes a person’s reason for not handling the most important issues of life.
Now it doesn’t take a genius to work out that that is sinful. Simply not handling the “most important issues of life” is (by definition) sinful. It’s also a somewhat pejorative definition. Had it read “which means a person is unable to handle the most important issues” then perhaps Bob would be able to agree with it. As it stands the definition deliberately implies that depression is not a genuine reason, it is only given as a reason.
Like Bob (I’m not sure about Steve), I do believe that there is such as thing as a mental disorder. That is, there are some people whose brains are wired in such a way as they find it difficult (perhaps almost impossible) to stop falling into deep depression (depression is of course only one example of a mental disorder). Incidentally, I am very aware that ‘wired’ is a completely inadequate word, but for the sake of simplicity I shall not try to expound it.
The reason that their brain is ‘wired’ in this way may be due to past sin (theirs, or often anothers), present sin (sinful actions or thoughts), or just their physiological makeup. Usually it is a combination of all three. Frankly to expect all brains to be wired perfectly in a fallen world stretches the doctrine of common grace far beyond all reasonable expectations.
Having your brain wired in such a way is of course, not a sin, though it may be a result of sin. This ‘wiring’ is (I think) what Bob is referring to as depression, and the reason why he got so steamed up when he read Steve’s article. For a sufferer, it means that your whole being seems to be tempting you into darker and darker thoughts, and it seems futile to resist. Again this temptation is not sinful. Temptation never is.
What is sinful, is the giving into that temptation. It may seem as though there is no escape, no other option, but there always is (1 Corinthians 10:13).
There are those whose minds often tempt them into depression. Likewise, there are others whose minds often tempt them into violence. But violence is always wrong, even if there are mitigating psychological factors (hence the British courts will often pass a verdict of ‘manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility’ for a murder committed by someone suffering from a psychiatric disorder). Whilst I am by no means suggesting that the sin of being depressed is in any way as serious as the sin of murder, I think we can draw a parallel. Succumbing to the temptation of depression is wrong, even though there are mitigating circumstances. (Of course, this does not mean that ‘being sad’ is sinful, and neither Steve nor Bob would say that. Sadness and depression are not the same.)
If I can be allowed to mediate between Steve and Bob, can I suggest the following?
- We refrain from calling depression an illness, and refer to it as a disorder. This may be semantics, but the discussion’s easier if we all agree terms
- We accept that due to physiological and psychological makeup (which may be the result of sin, or simply living in a fallen world), some people are much more prone to succumbing to depression than others.
- We accept that succumbing to depression is wrong. I think that Bob is almost accepting this when he says “Terrific! I’m not responsible for my behavior because I’m “sick”. I often wish that were true. I often end up saying I’m sorry for something I’ve done or not done while challenged by my condition.”
If we can agree that, I think the discussion can continue with even greater understanding.


#1 by Velma on 25 November, 2007 - 2:45 am
I totally agree that depression is a sin. My mom gave me it – she was sooo sinful- she couldn’t cope – so she got born again – and dumped her sin on me
#2 by Gwen Dixon on 29 November, 2007 - 11:15 pm
As a womanstruggling with depression, I would like to hear of any Christian ministry run ina local fellowship to support and encourage those battling with this exhausting condition.I would like to know what can be helpful ina group setting. Does anyone have any suggestions?
#3 by Thomas on 30 November, 2007 - 1:24 am
Hi Gwen,
Initially you need to right yourself with the Lord. Identify the things that trouble you most and make a list. Accept Christ Jesus as your personal Saviour and ask for his forgiveness. Acknowledge that he died for our sins, take the time to place yourself in His presence it can be exhausting in itself but it is the only way. Really focus on all those things that get you down- your triggers per say and ask God to reveal them to you in their true form. The key Gwen, is that your one true focus is not your issues or struggles but God himself. Don’t ignore your problems, give them to the Lord. Read an online Bible and pray about that which troubles you do a search on encouragement and faith scriptures. I found these so amazingly helpful and refreshing and when you realize your problems only strengthen you Gwen if you weren’t strong and empowered you wouldn’t be here. God and I love you Gwen and if you feel like chatting feel free to send me an email. I would be honored to help you as I am the Thomas whose post is mentioned just above. I have suffered and conquered by the Grace of the Lord Almighty. Gwen I would like to hear from you just to confirm you recieved these words. camerone1863@hotmail.com is my email feel free to contact me and I can offer you some of the things that helped me in terms of scripture and support. God Bless you Gwen.
Lord, You are the Holiest of holies, the King of kings and the Lord of lords. You sent your only begotten Son to die for our sins so that we may find peace under Your wings in love and forgivenss. I ask Lord that you lift Gwen up Lord and show her the blessings she truly has, show her that her mind is truly sound Lord and crush the stronghold that the devil has Lord. We ask for these things in Jesus name. Amen
#4 by Dede on 7 January, 2008 - 11:47 pm
Thomas:
I noticed in your post that you said, “prepare yourself to let go of the things that get you down”.
My step-son acting like he wants to hit me and kill me ‘gets me down’, my husband letting him do it ‘gets me down’, my husband’s family treating me and my family badly ‘gets me down’, my own family who have abused me for ages ‘gets me down’ and friends who say they are friends and really are not ‘gets me down’. If I let go of the things that get me down… I would have no husband, no stepson, no friends, and no family.
I read the bible a lot, ask forgiveness all the time, search the scriptures, pray, etc. and I am still depressed and have been since I was a little girl. My depression is a medical condition mainly. However there are things in my life that ‘gets me down’. But I am not willing to give my husband up at this time, nor my friends or my family and the only way to get rid of the problems I speak of is to give him, his son, and his family up. I can’t change them, Thomas.
I can read the bible and pray to God and it won’t change them. I’m miserable because I’m being abused. How is my depression caused by my sin then? We are speaking of what someone else has done to me not what I have done to them. My expectations are not too high either. I am a housewife. I am low maintaince. I rarely buy or do anything for myself. I do not nag my husband. I am not abusive to him or my stepson. I am a very humble person and grateful for the little things. How then is this my problem, my sin? I’m depressed because of the world around me and that world, which is my life, isn’t changing.
I know God loves me, Thomas. But HIS love doesn’t change the abuse I go through. What I would like to see on this posting group is for people to stop grouping all depression into one catagory. I think there is depression that IS caused by sin, depression that IS caused by a BRAIN DISORDER, and depression that IS caused by circumstances that are out of our control.
Not long ago I went to a pastor of a church and asked for prayer letting him know that I was depressed. I told him in confidence. That next weekend he did a sermon that depression was a sin and looked at me and my husband throughout the whole sermon. The next weekend came and he did the same thing. I was devastated because how can one sin against their will?
Thomas… not everyone is grouped into the same catagory. Everyone experiences things in life differently. Not all depression is sin. Is there depression that is caused by sin? Of course. But not all depression is sin. And telling people to just pray to God and believe he loves you and that is the cure is irresponsible and could be very damaging and even dangerous for someone who comes on this posting site looking for help. That person could be praying all the time and a really good person and to read that ‘if only’ they prayed enough, read the bible enough, or believed enough was the cure… it could send someone desperate enough over the edge.
I have found that Christian’s do more damage than good a lot of the time. When my brother was dying of cancer fellow Christian’s would say things like, “God’s punishing him for being such a sinner,” or “If only he believed in God enough he would be cured!” My brother died of cancer and he prayed to God as we all did. He still died. My mother was convinced he would have a miracle healing. He died, Thomas. No amount of praying, reading the bible, etc. cured him… but I guess he just didn’t believe in God enough or he would have been cured of cancer too! The same with depression. If you can cure depression then can you cure cancer? How about diabetes can you cure that too with your ‘therapy’, Thomas?
Like the pastor in my church… talk about being depressed I wanted to die after that! I felt so guilty then for being depressed and couldn’t control it. I thought I was letting God down for not being able to control it. All of you should be more careful of the things you recommend to those who may seriously need more help than ‘pray more’ or ‘believe more’ or ‘give up more’. If it were that easy we all would be cured for all our diseases and infirmities as Christian’s, including myself.
Depression like any other illness can have many causes. We can’t just say all depression is caused by sin. It’s irresponsible and could really put someone in a deep dark depression if they are led to believe they aren’t praying enough, believing enough, sacrificing enough, too selfish, not going to church enough, etc. I know my pastor did that to me and it seriously depressed me even more and did not help one bit.
My mother, who is a preacher, told me to never return to that church again. My whole family suffer from genetic depression. Yes, there is such a thing as genetic depression. The latest PET scans prove a genetic predisposition. Brains from non-depressed people are different from depressed people. I guess sin changes the brain… which sounds really dumb that sin can change the brain. No… genetics change the brain, as does a predisposition for diabetes, cancer, etc.
Before you start claiming the cure maybe you should get up to date about the latest scientific research about brain studies and PET scans. There are medical reasons for depression as well, not just sin alone, demons, oppression, or human frailties, etc. You said you were diagnosed and cured yourself. How long have you been depression free? A few weeks, months, maybe a year or two? Did you know that people get depressed in cycles? Maybe you just cycled out of a depression and here you are claiming a cure. I have done your therapy for years and it didn’t work. Certainly it can help but as with my brother who still DIED from cancer… prayer and bible study and being a good person only get us so far. We all get sick and die someday and get illnesses. Sin isn’t the blame to everything that goes wrong in our life. Maybe some things, but not everything. Life happens to us all, infirmities, hardships, et al. As it says in the BIBLE, “It rains on the just and the unjust” and “there’s a day to laugh and a day to mourn”. There’s a time for everything, even a time to be depressed.
Blessings – Dede
#5 by Thomas on 8 January, 2008 - 2:40 am
Dede,
I can definitely understand where your coming from and for the most part I agree with you dede. I will say this though…You said and I quote “I can read the bible and pray to God and it won’t change them. I’m miserable because I’m being abused. How is my depression caused by my sin then?”. When you make a statement like that you are undermining Gods ability as we are to thank Him as what we have asked is already done and you telling me it won’t work. You must seek His face and ask Him what it is you can do to change your circumstance in all earnest. You said that I might have cycled out of depression in which case my depression went for 14 years and ended when I should be all the more depressed as my company is close to bankruptcy, I have lost many friends, I am in a huge amount of personal debt, I spent Christmas and my birthday and New Years all alone. The list goes on Dede but I know the harder life tries to get at me the more the Lord has in store for me. You must understand that it could be something you’re eating or many other things but I can assure you that God loves you and would never create an incomplete being. You have everything you need to be happy it’s just a matter of removing yourself from your mind and basing yourself in Gods word. I know there are some Christians out there who run a super hard line and do poorly by those they are supposed to care for. My mother had 8 children and died of brain cancer at the age of 48 years old I don’t hold God responsible because with my limited capacitry as a human to even try and comprehend His ways would almost be an insult to the Most High. She died and left 8 children who had jsut started their lives and needed their mother more than ever but it happened….even though she prayed. You can’t blame events for your lack of faith those events may have been to strengthen those around your brother or many other reasons. You’re using your brothers passing as proof that prayer doesn’t work. You said you don’t WANT to leave those things that abuse you. Then so be it.. you have identified your trigger and refuse to alter the position you place yourself in. Have you spoken to them and told them how you feel? Have you considered life without them? Did it make you feel sick? I had to leave the only family I knew (The French Foreign Legion) because I felt that it was doing me no good as a human being and a Christian. I did not want to leave but it was necessary for me to get to the next stage in my life even though it was not what I wanted nor did it seem possible. We will always be challenged Dede that I agree with but it is who you turn to in your challenge and the spirit in which you turn. Look at your own wording you speak in the negative with no hope stating that prayer will not fix those in your life because it didn’t fix your brother. If you wish to justify your sadness with genetic disposition so be it my father was diagnosed schizophrenic and so was my mother then it turned out my dad had a chemical imbalance due to the food he was eating and he stopped his medication and was fine. My mother was diagnosed with bipolar and it turned out she had tumor the size of a lemon in her brain since she was 6. Medicine is great and it helps many people but we are still battling to understand the concept of mental illness let alone it’s causes to which diet is coming under much more scrutiny than ever before. You say if it were as simple as praying there would be no illnesses or death. Praying doesn’t ensure miracles Dede it ensure that regardless of the circumstance you know it was God who made the decision. Work on your spirit of defeat and start talking as though you have conquered. It will make all the difference Dede. If you feel like discussing things further away from the rest of the forum my email is noted in my post to Gwen.
Lord, I ask that you reveal yourself to Dede in all your glory. That she may be filled and enabled by Your Spirit to see beyond that which is human and see the superhuman. That you are beyond our understanding Lord is not a curse but a blessing, that events that cause us great sadness are not necessarily punishments but lessons even if initially they are beyond comprehension. Send Your love Lord to all those who desire it and fill them with Your conquering spirity letting the weak say they are strong, as said in Your word.
Amen and Amen
#6 by Dede on 8 January, 2008 - 5:35 pm
Thomas… you are assuming that the Lord hasn’t revealed himself to me. Your post acts as if I’m not saved. You are still acting like you have the answers too. This is what I was speaking about in my previous post that so many Christian’s make things worse when they act like they know everything and believe that if you just pray enough you’ll be healed.
It sounds like you are going through your own tough time in life as well. It is wonderful that you are handling things as well as you have. I am saddened to hear you are having such a rough time. I do hope and pray that your troubles lift and you recover from your loss and better things are to come. I wish you only the best. More about your post…
You do not understand where I am coming from as an individual because you don’t know me individually. Your post acts as if I am ignorent of Gods love, power, and his grace… including the importance of nutrition, et al. You assume I don’t have faith in prayer or that I even blame God for my brothers death. You are very wrong about me my friend.
I do believe in the power of prayer… but I also am a realist. God can heal but sometimes he doesn’t. Just visit a hospital and you will see what I mean. I believe depression is a real medical condition, like cancer or diabetes. Sometimes prayer doesn’t cure things, Thomas. If it did your mother would have lived, my brother would have lived, my grandmother would have lived, et al. I don’t blame God. It’s just life, Thomas. We are born, we live, we die.
Miracle healings can happen, prayer can be helpful, removing sin from ones life can be useful too but… sometimes people are just sick not because they don’t have enough faith, or don’t read enough of the word, or have unconfessed sin… sometimes people are just sick because that is ‘life’. We live in a fallen world where people get sick. Take all the little children dying of cancer… what was their sin to suffer such infirmities? It wasn’t sin.
About Me:
I am a Holistic Practitioner, Holistic Life Coach, Holistic Stress Management Specialist, Pilates Instructor, with education in Risk Management, Healthy Lifestyles, did training modules with Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Psychological First Aid Competencies for Public Health Workers, Disaster Mental Health Planning, Disaster Mental Health Intervention, Mental Health Consequences of Disaster, Mental Health: Psychology of Terrorism, Mental Health: Self Care, Roots of Terrorism, and Psychology and Crisis Response. I also did bible studies with Cathedral University and earned a certificate of completion as well as with Mercy Street Ministries and earned my certificate and I am also an ordained minister with a license with The United Christian Church and Ministerial Association. I’ve also done numerous coures at Christian Courses online.
Despite the training I’ve had I don’t have all the answers. I would never claim or come across as if I had all the answers. I don’t. I am all too familiar with diet and mono-molecular therapy. I believe many mental health problems, as well as other problems, can be treated with mono-molecture therapy. Essential Fatty Acids are very helpful in treating psychiatric disorders. Vitamin B6, Zinc and Magnesium are all fantastic for helping with nervous system regulation and mood support… as well as GABA and others. I’ve tried them all.
There are clinics too that specialize in mono-molecular therapy where they can run tests allopathic doctors don’t believe in and many ‘cures’ have taken place with mono-molecular therapy. Unfortunately I can’t afford to go out of state and it’s very expensive… ten thousand dollars to stay a few weeks or so. It may be more now and different prices for different clinics. Dr. Larson wrote a book about mono-molecular therapy. You might find that worth reading. It was very enlightening.
Note: This is my point… if depression is a sin how can mono-molecular therapy actually work to treat/cure depression and many other illnesses? It’s because it’s a ‘brain disorder or vitamin deficiency’ that is causing the depression.
Of course, sin can cause depression too, but so can an underactive thyroid, diabetes, et al. But diet and nutrition play important factors as well. Unfortunately insurance only covers for allopathic medicine, not alternative holistic remedies. It is the FDA’s way of marketing and profiting off of the pharmaceautical companies. They don’t get profits from vitaims or holistic treatments, only allopathic ones. It leaves the poor depressed persons without options on how they wish to treat their disorders. This fallen world is greedy and it’s set up the way it is so they can make money. Many recoveries from all the disorders you mentioned above happened at Dr. Larson’s facilities.
I appreciate your prayers and am grateful for them. I will return them in kind. We all need prayer. But you are still acting like you know how to fix depression, my depression and others depression. Are you seriously recommending that I leave my husband behind? That isn’t scriptual.
I love him and care about him. He isn’t the one who is mean to me, but rather my stepson and my husbands family. But in order to leave all that behind I would have to leave him. It said in the word for man to not seperate what God has put together. As a man you are recommending I pull it apart. I am praying to God to help my marriage stay together. If it is his will we depart… I believe God will show me what he wants me to do. Right now, I don’t think God wants me to leave him.
Thomas… I wish you well. I pray you recover from your trials and losses. I appreciate your prayers as well. I do wish to impart this one thing… never assume anything about another person because unless we have walked in someone else’s shoes we just don’t know what kind of life they have led, the same goes for our spiritual walk with God. Also, it might be helpful to not assume you know the answers to cure depression. Here again, everyone is different and different things work for different folks. Some it’s prayer, others it medicine, for some it’s nutrition, and then for some it’s exercise. I wrote a devotional book that was released last year and it was about coping with depression. I never once claimed I knew the cure and even said so in the ‘forward’. I would never want to claim something like that.
#7 by Chad on 10 January, 2008 - 2:05 pm
Having undergone depression myself, I find little aid in any of the above terminology: All the terms “disorder”, “Disease”, “Illness” don’t really help the person feel as though they can overcome the depression. Also the quote: “a debilitating mood, feeling, or attitude of hopelessness (despair or joylessness), which becomes a person’s reason for not handling the most important issues of life” irritates me, and here is why. The person wants to handle those issues, but is having difficulty doing so, which is why they become depressed. Its not that they don’t want to handle the issues, they do, they just can’t seem to figure things out. For example my ex broke up with me, and I was depressed. I blamed her, I blamed myself. I tried to figure out the right thing to do, but I couldn’t figure it out. Everything I tried, like prayer, asking God for forgiveness, trying to reconcile etc. just didn’t work. And even after two years, I’m still wondering what I should be doing differently.
#8 by Tim on 12 January, 2008 - 12:13 am
Hi Dede
It’s strange how we go online sometimes looking for something { Mine was to look at articles on the study of preaching] but this post on depression caught my eye and so i read through a couple of posts.
It seems most of the debate is focussed on whether depression is sinful or something that is the effect of sin, living in a fallen world etc.
I don’t want to add to the debate as such but as someone who from an early age has fallen into depths of depression or sadness as it may be called i just wanted to mention some scriptures that have helped me at such times as these. I’m just coming out of the valley so things are quite fresh in my mind. One thing i do believe is that if we have been comforted with God’s word we have an obligation to seek to comfort others. 2 Corinthians 1;4.
Psalm 88, You may think is a strange Psalm to quote to encourage believers in depression but i think this is one of two Psalms God has put in His word to keep the believer from despair. The thoughts of the psalmist can be strikingly similar to someone who is in the dark valley of depression, and with this man it was not a short spell but a life long battle. The encouragement we see in this lament is the first line when he says, ” o God of my salvation” If this were not here we may be tempted to conclude that this was a psalm coming from someone who did not know God.
The other psalm is 77 which has this wonderful argument the psalmist puts to himself
I call to remembrance my song in the night; I meditate within my heart, and my spirit makes diligent search. Will the Lord cast off forever? and will He be favorable no more? Has His mercy ceased forever? Has His promise failed forevermore? Has God forgotten to be gracious? Has He in anger shut up His tender mercies? Selah
And I said, “This is my anguish; But I will remember the years of the right hand of the Most High.”
When we are in depression this is a difficult thing to do but he teaches us that we should strive to remember the times when things were different and to remember the character of God.
He finishes this portion with the words this is my anguish or it can be translated infirmity or weakness. He realises that in better days he has viewed things differently, you can almost sense him coming out of his valley of sorrow.
I think i shall leave it there but finish by saying that depression may be something a believer will have to cope with all through their lives here on earth but there will come a time when in His presence our joy will be full.
I hope and pray this may be of help to someone.
Tim
#9 by Lynn on 12 March, 2008 - 9:35 am
Although I haver read the Bible many times and studied it for years on my own before taking University classes, I refrain from references and quotes.
I have suffered from depression before I was 9 when I first had suicidal thoughts (over 50 years ago), perhaps by sins of my mother. That’s beside the point for me. When a nine-year-old wants to kill themselves, do you say go ahead, your feelings are sin-based?
I think not. The true Christain spirit is to embarace all, to love all. To spead love.
Now we have concrete proof that depression in caused by an imbalance of brain chemicals that cause the brain to not function correctly. Depression can be eased with medictions. It may be diffcult to understand but depression begins to change our thinging patterns. Depression closes out rationlity. If not treated, depression convinces us that we are unworthy and hopeless. This leads to suicide.
When a Christian says depresion is due to sin, they are inviting the person to end their life. This is not the Christain way of forgiveness and love.
Are people so emersed in thier own religion and it’s view that they lose track of Christ’s true message?
Find some resources on the causes of depression. We are not freaks or sinners. I am not a freak! Who amongst us is not a sinner in some degree? I admit that I have not liked co-workers, have not totally honored my demanding mother, I have not alwawys handled situations as I should have. I’ve never put anyone down, I do my best to not judge anyone for any reason. I’m not saintly but trying my best to live Christ’s commandment to love everyone.
How can a husband believe that depression is a sin and tell his wife that she’s a freak and just needs to stop sinning to get better from depression? This is totally against Christian teachings for husbands.
Frankly, I can’t see the loving God that I know. would allow this insidious illness of depression to affect people who or whose parent has not committed a terrible sin.
I am only left with the conclusion that drepression like any other disease attacts people bcause of genetics or simply that their physical problems simply appear. We don’t have the devil in our brains, only depression telling us that we are not worthy of love. Will you, as a good Christian offer love or stone us ror unknown sins?
#10 by Bishop on 20 May, 2008 - 6:48 pm
I believe depression is a display of faithlessness and unreliability on God our creator. You can see why I believe depression is sin, it means so many things are overwhelming you and you cannot appreciate the hand of God and the provision of His Son on the cross. Friends, depression may not anything to you but to me it is more than feelings, it a show of hopelessness and helplessness, it is a war that every man must be determined to win by connecting himself or herself to Christ. Thank you.